Post by khaos54321 on Aug 14, 2009 20:10:28 GMT -5
I see, but again, these are laws, and solid laws at that. Randomness will breed randomness, so I believe a kind of conscience had to have created such laws. And I think you're missing my point. As I said, when you take two numbers and incorperate them into an equation, the results yielded will always be those results when worked two or more times. Mathematics are perfect laws that yield perfect results. The numbers you mentioned, taking pi for instance, is not only the most complex form of perfection, but also a symbol that shows our potential. Think about it; the individual that discovered pi didn't just stumble upon it at random. He/She tried to find the area of a circle and had to match a number into the r^2 part in order for its area to be consistent. There is a pattern to pi, however I do not know of it, but there is and that is how we get people who attempt world records at memorizing the first some digits (usually quadruple digits) of that number, and there are experts that test whether or not the person was right using the pattern to get pi. And those go for Avogandro's number and moles as well, most likely Avogandro came up with such.
And that's the potential for all of humanity, to find such a complex number, because to comprehend infinity is very difficult. That's why I believe that God can be proven scientifically, and most importantly, mathematically because God is in the most simplest terms, infinity, and when we are able to comprehend infinity will also be when we can find out just where these laws came from. It is said a scientist created a picture that would drive any sane man insane, and that picture is the universe with an arrow pointing, inscribing "you are here". So we can't prove God today, but in the far future we will be.
Now, as for Jesus's divinity, that's where opinion divides us. To others, a protester isn't enough, which is why the writers of the Bible stretched the appearence, possibly, to my belief, because he seemed so much like a "God-send". But, that's why I said revisions can go anywhere, whether it be science (which it has it's share of revisions) and religion (where revision is very much needed as well). I myself am very easily amazed and that's why Jesus being a renegade against the corrupt government of his time is enough for me, and which is why I haven't picked another monotheistic religion because I feel Jesus gave me a good set of morals. Then again, most people don't see that as enough, and I wish they would because to me divinity comes through selflessness and rising against the evils of this world.
I guess I must admit defeat in regards to Pontius Pilot. I was taught differently, but I assume you actually studied this while I just took what the priest at my church for face value. But at least you agree with my angle, and I do believe that. I do believe that Jesus's blood didn't save us as much as it did stain those like the mob and those who follow in similar practice. Of course you can redeem yourself by following Jesus's word, but then again, the mob never does. Just as Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi did, the few revolutionary individuals that inspire a nation die in heretical disgrace first.
And that's the potential for all of humanity, to find such a complex number, because to comprehend infinity is very difficult. That's why I believe that God can be proven scientifically, and most importantly, mathematically because God is in the most simplest terms, infinity, and when we are able to comprehend infinity will also be when we can find out just where these laws came from. It is said a scientist created a picture that would drive any sane man insane, and that picture is the universe with an arrow pointing, inscribing "you are here". So we can't prove God today, but in the far future we will be.
Now, as for Jesus's divinity, that's where opinion divides us. To others, a protester isn't enough, which is why the writers of the Bible stretched the appearence, possibly, to my belief, because he seemed so much like a "God-send". But, that's why I said revisions can go anywhere, whether it be science (which it has it's share of revisions) and religion (where revision is very much needed as well). I myself am very easily amazed and that's why Jesus being a renegade against the corrupt government of his time is enough for me, and which is why I haven't picked another monotheistic religion because I feel Jesus gave me a good set of morals. Then again, most people don't see that as enough, and I wish they would because to me divinity comes through selflessness and rising against the evils of this world.
I guess I must admit defeat in regards to Pontius Pilot. I was taught differently, but I assume you actually studied this while I just took what the priest at my church for face value. But at least you agree with my angle, and I do believe that. I do believe that Jesus's blood didn't save us as much as it did stain those like the mob and those who follow in similar practice. Of course you can redeem yourself by following Jesus's word, but then again, the mob never does. Just as Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi did, the few revolutionary individuals that inspire a nation die in heretical disgrace first.